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I guess the chaos

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the President also instructed the

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intelligence Community to take a broad

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look at the phenomenon of unidentified

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aerial objects indeed President Biden

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conducted the first ever daily

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intelligence briefing session devoted to

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this phenomenon back in June of 2021

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he was brief that this is not just an

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issue for the United States but one for

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the rest of the world and as I said our

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friends and our partners are dealing

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with this as well

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we worked on a bipartisan basis to stand

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up an office at the Pentagon to study

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this

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in partnership with the intelligence

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Community academic institutions and the

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private sector

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these unidentified aerial phenomena have

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been reported for many years without

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explanation or deep examination by the

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government

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President Biden has changed all that we

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are finally trying to understand them

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better

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I want to be clear

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we don't have any evidence that there

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has been a sudden increase in the number

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of objects in the sky we're now just

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seeing more of them partially because

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the steps we've taken to increase our

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Radars to narrow our radars

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and we have to keep adapting our

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approach to uh delaying to dealing with

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these challenges that's why I've

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directed my team to come back to me with

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sharper rules for how we will deal with

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these unidentified objects moving

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forward distinguishing distinguishing

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between those that are likely to pose

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necessitate action and those that do not

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but make no mistake

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if any object presents a threat to the

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safety security of the American people I

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will take it down

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so the question now has to be why are

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they setting up a new task force take

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this data make it immediately available

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to those scientists so you can enter it

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into that database but also so you can

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cross-reference it and compare it to the

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other hundreds of cases that we have

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that's the only way you're going to get

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to get and begin to get answers about

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what it is we're dealing with here who

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it belongs to what it's doing here I

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imagine some of these are going to have

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explanations that are pretty simplistic

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others are going to be more complicated

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I imagine some are frankly going to be

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crafts that were launched by a company

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or an individual or whatever and others

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may not be maybe nation states that have

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developed some rudimentary capability

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the airspace Aerospace defenses of the

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United States but I'm speculating that's

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hello welcome to episode 5 of somewhere

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in the live stream guys I am your host

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Ryan Sprague and we have a lot to cover

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tonight we have a very special last

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minute guest joining us tonight

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unfortunately Katie Howland our original

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special guest co-host uh had an

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emergency and will not be able to make

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it tonight so we are sending her our

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very best I will have her back on in the

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very near future she sends her best to

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all of you as well and apologies but no

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apologies necessary because we have an

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awesome replacement for her tonight

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Graham Rendell is going to be joining us

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um but a little a little talk shop

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before we bring him in to talk about all

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the latest UFO news that we're gonna

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break down so you don't have to

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um Super Chat is open if you want to

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help out the show uh we'll put your

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questions and comments up and every

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penny goes right back in to making

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somewhere in the skies bigger better and

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more quantity of somewhere in the sky so

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uh yeah all that support truly truly

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helps guys so thank you

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um hello to everyone in the chat uh I

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don't I I've really tried to scroll

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through everyone's hellos already but if

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I haven't said hello hello to Jeffrey

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Gareth paranormal pixie Jay is here

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Douglas Sprague is in the house hello

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Papa Sprague always great to see you and

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please say hello to Sue Sprague for me

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as well uh the first story of the night

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that we have for everyone should be

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painfully obvious

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but it is everything going on here in

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the U.S you know we had the shoot Downs

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of three objects over Canada Alaska and

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Lake Huron and um yeah did you catch the

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uh the the what was it even the press

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conference I guess the Biden gave were

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you able to catch that yeah I was

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um I suppose

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we're going to talk about it but almost

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less said about that the better kind of

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thing because it was just it just seemed

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to be a bit of a train wreck as from

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where I was sitting I was I was sitting

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watching it and thinking

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he's reading from a teleprompter clearly

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and how much of his heart's on it as

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well because it didn't seem to be coming

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from him it was all it was just him

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reading it and I don't know it it just

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didn't seem you know that kind of

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serious

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um and it seemed a bit disjointed and

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all the rest of it that might be just me

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um you know Elsie we'll have people on

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both sides of the fence in terms of

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their politics in the states who might

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have a better handle on how good he is

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and and how you know how he push things

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across and it might just be you know

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that's how the guy is I don't know I'm

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not American so I'm not I don't really

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have that Insight but it from seeing

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other politicians how they come across

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when they're giving these kind of you

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know briefings it didn't seem very very

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polished it seemed quite last minute so

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I'm not sure what you think about that

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uh but you know it just seemed really

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weird how it came across

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last minute basically it did it came off

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very rushed and what I think we saw

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Graham is uh he wasn't saying anything

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and you know members Representatives on

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both sides of the aisle in the United

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States were kind of pushing him they're

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like dude what what's going on here like

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you're shooting things out of the sky

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you're not telling anyone what's going

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on like we need answers the public

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deserves to know uh and and we were

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hearing nothing and and that unsettled a

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lot of people it scared a lot of people

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and that kind of briefing would have

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even scared them all because you expect

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your commander-in-chief to be able to be

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on top of the situation to be reassuring

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if nothing else you might not get

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information from them but at least you

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get that sense of yeah you know they're

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on the you know they're on top of things

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they're on top of the job they know what

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they're doing but that didn't Inspire

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confidence with anything really

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um and you can imagine though just the

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the people you know watching that at

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home must have think well what's going

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on why can't you tell us what's

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happening why can't you give us a

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reassurance Beyond you know I'm gonna

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shoot these down well it wasn't you oh

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Air Force is going to shoot that means

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I'm going to shoot them down which

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seemed a bit of a strange phrase as well

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um it it just said that there was no

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kind of you know

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um didn't have the like courageous

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convictions almost to to see this

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through it might be just that he's I

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don't know disinterested in the whole

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thing it was hard to tell there's a

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whole lot going on there and it was I

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wish Katie was here to unpack the kind

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of you know the kind of political

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nitty-gritty because she's obviously

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much more of a kind of political

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commentator for the states than I am but

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it just seemed very very odd the whole

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presentation from start to finish and

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then of course at the end when there was

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this kind of company of reporters asking

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him questions and of course they're all

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shouting on top of each other which

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doesn't I mean I don't know if that's

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the way to developed nowadays but it was

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you would point to somebody and they

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would answer question they'd give an

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answer and then you've got the next

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person that just shouldn't be you know

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five or ten people sort of shouting at

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once and it was never going to be end

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well and of course he just wandered off

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steps away from the podium and then

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um and I thought yeah I sort of thought

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but he then kind of mumbled this

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um half kind of um Angry old man

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thinking so if you know you're all just

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shouting at me and you should be a bit

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more polite which is fair enough but it

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that came across just really badly as

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well and then you just shuffled off into

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the night kind of thing and it was just

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it couldn't have been done any worse I

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think really you know for the the kind

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of you know lack of reassurance lack of

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um and it it yeah it just fell flat to

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me I'm afraid yeah it was a train wreck

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um like you mentioned and like we saw in

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that intro clip there uh one thing he

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mentioned during this speech was and

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Jack Kirby the other gentleman we see in

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the image here

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um and I should mention guys if you're

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watching this on YouTube this will be

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available in audio form as well um but

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we do have a lot of visuals that we

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provide for you here on the YouTube live

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streams so um if you're listening to it

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on the podcast in the very near future

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um head on over to YouTube and you can

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follow along with the visuals we have

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um we've got some audio and videos for

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you later as well um but yeah Graham in

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that in that intro video Biden was

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talking about creating an interagency to

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look into these things yeah and what's

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troubling about that a is that they

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still don't don't know what these things

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are allegedly and B they've given up

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trying to retrieve them we just found

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out that they have they've the search is

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off like whatever these things were

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they're going to remain in the Alaskan

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Waters they're going to remain in the

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woods of the Yukon and uh that's it man

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moving on moving on with our lives but

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um this interagency thing so I think

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what I want to do is uh read a little

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bit from this article that just broke

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over at the war zone

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um about this very issue because he

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talked about creating an interagency to

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look into UAP yet we just got Arrow a

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group that specifically created to do

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this so um let me go ahead and read a

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little bit of this and I'll get your

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thoughts okay

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um this comes from the war zone Broken

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Arrow Pentagon UAP offices role

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questioned following shootdowns

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um let's see here the U.S military and

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intelligence communities are still

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trying to to sort out the details about

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the three objects that remain

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unidentified days after they were shot

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down in different areas one organization

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has remained noticeably noticeably

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absent from much of the disclosures

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about the responses to the incidents and

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that's the pentagon's fledging all

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domain anomaly resolution office Arrow

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the day before you know a lot of this

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happened John Kirby top spokesperson for

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the president uh said announced the

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creation of a new working group to quote

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study the broader policy implications

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for detection analysis and disposition

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of unidentified aerial objects that pose

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either safety or security risks uh and

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in the article here they say that seems

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all fine and well under the

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circumstances but there's just one major

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problem a dedicated office just for this

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exact purpose was already stood up with

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significant Fanfare and that was Arrow

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uh last paragraph here altogether the

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recent aerial incidents over the U.S and

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Canada have certainly raised questions

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about Arrow's overall role in exactly

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how it functions in the context of

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broader duties

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uh let's see here

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um yeah so basically you know what

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they're saying is why why is the

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president creating a special group

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within the Pentagon to look into this

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stuff when literally for the past year

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and a half they've been establishing an

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organization with taxpayer money U.S

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taxpayer money to do exactly this

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um I know again I know you know you're

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looking at this outside of the purview

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of not being a U.S citizen

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um I'm no longer a U.S resident but if I

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were still paying taxes I'd be a little

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pissed off that they're creating yet

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another group to do this what do you

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think from an outside eye does it

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there's a UK saying about you know you

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wait half an hour for a bus and then two

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come along at once and this is kind of

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like a thing that you know we've waited

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once since 1969 when and Blue Book ended

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so we've now been waiting for what 60

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years for you an official US UFO

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investigation program and now we've got

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two apparently so you know it's crackers

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um to think about the fact that they're

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duplicating the efforts apparently that

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are supposed to do but then you have to

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wonder what kind of things aren't error

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doing that this new interagency group

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will do but there's always a tendency

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for I suppose governments of all types

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of you know different stripes and from

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wherever they are in the world and also

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large monolithic organizations I was

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speaking from experience in the National

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Health Service in the UK here that when

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there's a problem and sometimes a

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problem that's already existed and that

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they've thrown resources out in the past

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and it's gone away but it's come back

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again that there's always a tendency for

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them to think oh we need to set up a

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study group we need to devote resources

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to it we need to put Manpower into it

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just to study it come up with a report

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and it sounds like this is what they're

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doing here it's like the kind of you

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know we need to be seen to be doing

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something and that's always a big kind

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of motivator for governments and for

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politicians to be you know to be seen in

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Commerce to be seen to be doing

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something to so even things that they

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know or they suspect they can't do

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anything about because it looks good and

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it reassures the public and they go away

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and forget about it and the story drops

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out the new cycle because you can't keep

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on top of these things forever there's

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always something else coming along the

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turnpike to say you know that's going to

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take over the news agenda so they know

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these things go away over time but for

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the the time at that point in time where

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everybody's clamoring for information

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and for you know something to be done

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invert the colors again this is a great

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way of going well yeah we're doing

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something about it but going back to

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what I just said there you have to

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wonder how much of what this new

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interagency task force what their remit

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is isn't covered by Arrow

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um you know what do you think about that

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what do you think aren't you know

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they're not doing that this one this new

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one is going to do

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yeah yeah that's a good point I mean we

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I know that the head of Arrow uh was at

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the briefing you know these classified

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briefings that Congress members were a

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part of as well when this news broke of

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another interagency so we know arrow is

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working with this new group but I guess

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it's a matter of who's doing what what

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responsibilities are going to wear

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um and you know a lot of this probably

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has to do Graham 2 with the fact that

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this office is still brand new we have

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no idea how many people are working in

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Arrow we don't know their capabilities

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uh we're going to get to another story

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shortly we don't even know like how

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funded they are to properly do

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investigations on a lot of this um to

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preempt your next Story I mean it just

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mentions the fact that it's being

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underfunded and that was a mission that

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came out it probably shouldn't have been

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released that information but so you

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have to wonder is it just two two guys

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in an office

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and a few other people

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um is it like the UAP task force where

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it was effectively one man the dog

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certainly in an office you know and with

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no kind of clout no being stonewalled at

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every opportunity you know how much

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reach does Arrow have I mean it's sad

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that the you know they they're supposed

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to liaise with other agencies and get

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information but in in real life we tend

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to know that that kind of thing it's

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great when they say it it's supposed to

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happen but does it happen in the end you

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know are they getting the run around

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from places is there a need for

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something that comes from the Office of

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Joe Biden that actually says right

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you've got to sit down and do this

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rather than just some you know obscure

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DOD effort uh like Arrow maybe that

447
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doesn't have the clout doesn't have the

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kind of respect from other agencies

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which it's supposed to have

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um you know again this is one of these

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things where it's like a political

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Minefield you just have to wonder you

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set these things up all very well but

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then in the real world when they start

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you know coming up against other

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agencies and other competing priorities

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for money for resources and for time and

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all the rest of it how much

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um sort of you know influence do they

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have can they actually just rig up

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um you know the the US Air Force or NASA

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or wherever and say we want this

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information or do they have to go

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through all these different channels do

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they get blocked at certain places you

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know we just simply don't know how much

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Rich they actually have yeah exactly

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well and not knowing that preach and not

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knowing what is remaining classified

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right now

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um I want to ask you this all right time

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to put the tinfoil hats on we have to

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ask because it's all people are

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theorizing on Twitter and whatnot um two

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questions for you

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first one do you think the United States

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and or Canada have actually retrieved

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the wreckage from these shootdowns and

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have them in their possession and know

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what these things are that might be a

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separate question but yeah what do you

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make of those questions in terms of

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retrievals I guess the three places the

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subject the three subsequent shootdowns

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are in Fairly remote areas I'm not gonna

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I can understand that it's probably

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fairly sort of likely that they might

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have had difficulty because it was a

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liquor on

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Alaska in the Yukon and um and somewhere

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else I forget the third one but in in

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terms of retrieving things uh in these

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areas yeah it could be difficult however

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they do have targeting pods on the

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aircraft which have sophisticated

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electronics and and cameras you know

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this kind of thing they can see what

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they're shooting at and therefore they

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must be you know sensor data and footage

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from these um I think what's called a

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sniper pod on an F-16

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um and there's also the F22 must have

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similar types of equipment on board that

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can actually you'll sort of detect what

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they're shooting at so therefore the dod

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or the must have some kind of

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information as to what they were

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bringing down now that information

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chances are because it's wrapped up in

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National Security and you don't want to

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give

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um you know the potential of what your

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capabilities are away to a foreign

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government so they're not going to

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release that kind of information and

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it's it's difficult to try and from our

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point of view to try and work out how

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easy it is to separate you know just um

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you know a picture of a balloon that's

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for argument's sake from all the

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information around it from the targeting

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um I know we've had these discussions

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have been done to death over the gimbal

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footage and all the rest of it but also

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more sophisticated gear nowadays and you

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just wonder how difficult it is to

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separate the two to get an image which

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could be released

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um but the information is there and if

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they could just give a brief description

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that will be even that would be helpful

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as well beyond what they've already said

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you know that one was octagonal another

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one had things dangling down from it

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which doesn't really get you very far in

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terms of the description but it's better

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than nothing I guess but there must be

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more information they have and I'm you

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know I don't doubt that they have more

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at their fingertips than they're letting

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on but that's just the nature of the

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military and the intelligence Community

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they're always you know I think having

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their cards close to their chest they

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don't give anything away unless they

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really have to

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um and the only reason why that spy

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balloon apparently you know in the first

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place is the Chinese one the one within

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the under slung radar um instrument

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00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:55,679
package underneath it the only reason

552
00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:57,659
why that came out is because apparently

553
00:22:01,250 --> 00:21:59,340
some reports are in the midwest saw it

554
00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:01,260
and it was it was photographed with them

555
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:03,059
you know fancy camera gear and all the

556
00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:04,919
rest of it so it you know these things

557
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:06,299
could have been well have been coming

558
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,280
across allegedly for years beforehand

559
00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:10,740
and nobody's really picked up on it you

560
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:12,059
know we don't know whether the military

561
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:13,620
how much of a handle they had on it

562
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:15,059
beyond the fact that they say they've

563
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:16,980
tweaked the radar to to see them

564
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,260
nowadays they may have encountered them

565
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:21,360
beforehand and then these may have

566
00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:24,120
popped up in in service reports or other

567
00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:25,559
types of reports

568
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:27,179
um that have gone up the the chain of

569
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:29,159
military command you just don't know at

570
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:30,360
this stage you know that information

571
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,840
probably still is still yet to come out

572
00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:36,480
right exactly like we don't know how

573
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:39,539
long that the U.S has been tracking

574
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,100
maybe they were tracking them for a

575
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,380
while to gather their own intelligence

576
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,299
well yeah and what the capabilities were

577
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:47,280
of these things too and then all of a

578
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,140
sudden there's photographs popping up on

579
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:51,900
Tick Tock and Instagram of this balloon

580
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,880
and they're like ah damn it we were

581
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,919
doing so well and now we have to

582
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:57,780
acknowledge this thing shoot them all

583
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:00,960
down shoot them up I don't know man like

584
00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:03,480
the this this is the thing like when we

585
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:06,120
have such huge voids and gaps in the

586
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:08,700
transparency that's when we start you

587
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:11,100
know making stuff up and you feel yeah

588
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,900
yeah you fill the vacuum with with noise

589
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:14,159
basically because you don't have any

590
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:15,120
signal

591
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:17,100
um and you know at least low information

592
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:19,140
Zone that's a wonderful phrase that it's

593
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:21,299
been banded about now on Twitter

594
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,740
um but that's it is true that people

595
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,600
just make up their own you know their

596
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,640
own stories to fill that Gap

597
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,799
um and chances are then none of them are

598
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:30,539
right but until we get the information

599
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,580
from you know from the military from

600
00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:33,600
other people who actually are in a

601
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,580
position to know then you know that's

602
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:37,200
all we're going to get and you know

603
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:38,940
we're all guilty is that of that as

604
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,620
anybody else is

605
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:42,240
um you know you have made up your you've

606
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:44,100
made made up your own mind but you'll

607
00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:45,539
have ideas about what it is I've

608
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:47,460
certainly got ideas but they're not

609
00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:49,260
necessarily true and that's why I'm not

610
00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:50,220
coming out and saying oh they're

611
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:52,200
definitely this are definitely that

612
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:53,940
um beyond the Chinese spy blue which I

613
00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:54,840
think has already been firmly

614
00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:56,520
established but the other things you

615
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:58,919
know the the the all bets are off as to

616
00:24:01,789 --> 00:24:00,179
what they are

617
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:01,799
um are they commercial I mean they said

618
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,659
oh they're from a company or a

619
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,480
commercial organization but you wonder

620
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:07,919
what you know who's releasing things

621
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:09,179
that are going to float over northern

622
00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:10,320
Alaska

623
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,580
um isn't something that has Come Away

624
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:13,200
From The Far East and it's just drifted

625
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,820
away off course or something and why

626
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:16,260
hasn't somebody come forward and claimed

627
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:17,940
it already are they are they are they

628
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:19,860
frightened that the US you know Air

629
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:21,720
Force are going to Bill them for a 400

630
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:26,000
000 you know am9 Sidewinder missile

631
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:28,740
it's really funny yeah why didn't you

632
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,320
just comforting yeah that's ours yeah

633
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:33,299
yeah I I think it was at a press

634
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,159
conference the other day a reporter

635
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:37,860
asked John Kirby like if this turns out

636
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,020
to be like a weather balloon that like a

637
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,480
Boy Scout Troop put up there are you

638
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,360
gonna pay for for that and he left and

639
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:47,520
he's like we have no plans of repaying

640
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,220
whoever owns these things we shot down

641
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:52,860
which I thought was hilarious I'm just

642
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,080
imagining like traumatized young

643
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:57,360
scientists out there who were just

644
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:00,179
trying to gather data on the weather and

645
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:04,200
then an F-16 or F-22 or whatever

646
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:07,679
[\h__\h] just takes this thing out you've

647
00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:08,940
got these kids crying on the ground

648
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:10,430
saying they've shut down my way

649
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:12,020
[Music]

650
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:15,539
I make no apologies he was very firm on

651
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:17,940
that and look I understand that to an

652
00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:21,059
extent um but and a lot of this is just

653
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:25,220
political banter and you know a a big

654
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:28,620
show of superiority technologically

655
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,020
whether it's China Russia the United

656
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:33,440
States all of this gets mixed together

657
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:37,520
and is used to the benefit of different

658
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,279
whatever countries or or narratives and

659
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:43,500
uh it seems that the UFO Community has

660
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,140
found themselves kind of mixed up in the

661
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,520
middle in the middle which is

662
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:49,740
unfortunate yeah I mean really if you if

663
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:51,539
just as a quick aside here I mean it's

664
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,740
not as if the Americans haven't done

665
00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:53,940
this kind of thing themselves in terms

666
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,620
of spy balloons they did it in the early

667
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:58,020
1950s before the spy satellite was

668
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,820
invented the only way that you could get

669
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,400
a coverage of the deepest bits of the

670
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:04,440
Soviet Union would a fly high latitude

671
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:05,700
research Balloons with instrument

672
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,080
package or the camera packages

673
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:08,940
underneath them and the Americans had

674
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:12,000
several projects in about 1951 52 Knight

675
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:14,100
53 where the send things the launch

676
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:15,779
things from the likes of Scotland and

677
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,820
from turkey and from Norway and flew

678
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,559
them over the Soviet Union with the idea

679
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:20,880
of retrieving them once they get back

680
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:22,260
over the Bering Strait or into the

681
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:24,539
Pacific Ocean so you know you guys have

682
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,340
done that kind of thing before it wasn't

683
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,220
that successful but it did exist and

684
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:31,380
this is just a modern day kind of you

685
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,940
know sort of development of it in terms

686
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:34,860
of that first balloon and there are

687
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,080
certain advantages that a balloon has

688
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,240
over a spy satellite not least because

689
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,640
spice like the lights going in predicted

690
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:44,220
Orbits for projected periods of time so

691
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:45,179
if you've got anything on the ground

692
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,500
that you're mucking about with it you

693
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,000
don't want the opposition to see you

694
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,860
just you know hide it away in a cave or

695
00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:51,600
in a hangar and then bring it back out

696
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:52,919
again when the satellite goes over

697
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:54,779
whereas these things can lighter for a

698
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,340
long period of time and that you know

699
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:58,919
they can stay in a certain area and so

700
00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:00,539
they can see much more and they're

701
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:02,100
unpredictable so you don't exactly know

702
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:03,480
when they're going to turn up so you

703
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:04,980
know they're ideal for certain things

704
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:06,840
just because they're a balloon and it's

705
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:08,460
like you know an ancient invention it

706
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:09,720
doesn't really say they don't have Merit

707
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:10,980
from an intelligence collecting point of

708
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:14,760
view you yeah absolutely as we're

709
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:17,220
finding out right now like they've been

710
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:20,340
there all along and we just didn't turn

711
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:23,159
balloon setting on the old NORAD Radars

712
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:24,779
I guess but well some of the missing

713
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:26,820
opportunities well to forget who won the

714
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,100
crushed wreckage and get a us

715
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,919
um Air Force officer to crouch down with

716
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:33,960
some of the wreckage and you know and

717
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:37,440
reenact that famous iconic picture oh

718
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:40,200
man I think I said it like the day after

719
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:43,740
the China balloon thing that oh I I did

720
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:46,140
not think of 2023 we would be talking

721
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,020
about balloons again in mythology but

722
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:50,640
here we are my friend there's no getting

723
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:54,600
around it exactly uh crazy well let's

724
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,020
kind of tie this into our next story

725
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:01,200
um which comes from actually uh senator

726
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,020
gillibrand in the U.S and

727
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,240
um she is kind of spearheaded this whole

728
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,840
Arrow effort and um let me pull this up

729
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,279
here

730
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,039
and this is pretty

731
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:17,039
pretty interesting now we heard In that

732
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,740
clip earlier Rubio who's another big

733
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:21,120
member of this you know we've got

734
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,740
members on both sides of the aisle

735
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:25,679
there's a very bipartisan office that

736
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:27,480
they've created it's probably one of the

737
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:30,419
only things they all have in common

738
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:33,299
um that something happened with arrow

739
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:35,820
where they did not receive the proper

740
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:38,580
funding that they were supposed to get

741
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:40,380
um so I'm going to play a Quick Clip

742
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,620
here of Senator gillibrand on MSNBC I

743
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:45,120
believe it was

744
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:46,860
um this was days after the three

745
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:49,260
shootdowns and then we'll come back on

746
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,179
the other side and read a little bit

747
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:53,760
from the letter that she sent

748
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,799
um Graham so if you hold tight for just

749
00:29:00,649 --> 00:28:57,419
a moment let's play that for the

750
00:29:01,850 --> 00:29:00,659
audience now thanks man we created a

751
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:01,860
whole new

752
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,260
um part of the Department of Defense

753
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:06,960
called Arrow which is given the

754
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,179
responsibility of tracking and

755
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,580
scientifically analyzing all identif

756
00:29:15,789 --> 00:29:13,620
unidentified aerial phenomenon and make

757
00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:15,799
sure that service members who report

758
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,059
these kinds of sightings cannot be

759
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:20,880
retaliated against cannot be dismissed

760
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,919
or undermined in any way and that it's

761
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:24,899
encouraging reporting we have since

762
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:27,779
already reviewed over 300 of these

763
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,179
sightings and the vast majority of them

764
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:32,399
were balloon technology some were drone

765
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,140
technology and some are still

766
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,820
unidentified but because we've been

767
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,200
doing this work over the last two years

768
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:39,539
it's why we can now trace and track

769
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:42,720
these different types of devices not all

770
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:45,179
of them are going to be reconnaissance

771
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:46,860
devices some will be weather devices

772
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,820
some will be absolutely benign and and

773
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,320
the importance is that we actually

774
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,960
protect our civilian airspace and also

775
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,940
above civilian airspace from

776
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,860
reconnaissance type activity of the

777
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,240
first balloon

778
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:02,159
that's the whole purpose of this office

779
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:04,740
that I set up Andrea the whole point is

780
00:30:10,029 --> 00:30:07,380
we weren't focusing on it and we saw a

781
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:10,039
lot of objects around military bases

782
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:12,360
without not knowing is it drone

783
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,279
technology is it an adversary who's

784
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,200
sending this what are they able to do

785
00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:18,240
with it and when service members came

786
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,279
forward over the last decade with these

787
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:22,320
sightings they were not treated well

788
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:25,860
they were often dismissed as as you know

789
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:29,220
being irresponsible and and trying to

790
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:32,100
talk about UFOs well the fact is they're

791
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,140
just unidentified and they're probably

792
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:37,200
from our adversaries so we need to have

793
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:39,240
domain awareness and it's a national

794
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:41,340
security priority now we can't we

795
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,779
haven't analyzed everything there's

796
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,460
still about a hundred that we still

797
00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:47,279
aren't sure what it is but every time we

798
00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:50,840
evaluate this on a scientific basis and

799
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,419
look at different types of radar and

800
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:56,700
different types of video from different

801
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,340
types of aircraft whether it's civilian

802
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,320
or military we can make a better

803
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:03,120
scientific assessment about what it is

804
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,640
and then have an awareness of how a

805
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,440
balloon travels through the sky so we

806
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,419
can actually understand what the likely

807
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,000
trajectory is that makes it easier to

808
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:14,159
spot these devices and to be able to

809
00:31:24,370 --> 00:31:21,710
yeah so I mean that was basically Jilla

810
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,380
Brand's sales pitch for Arrow which is

811
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,360
exactly what is needed in a situation

812
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,820
that's playing out right now yet for

813
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:32,640
some reason we learned that the funding

814
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,919
they were supposed to receive was like

815
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:37,679
cut into like a quarter of what it was

816
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,059
supposed to be

817
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,279
um which is very disheartening you know

818
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,640
so now you have her in Rubio and many

819
00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:47,279
other Representatives who

820
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,279
um signed this letter to ask for more

821
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:53,279
funding which you know isn't unto

822
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,000
uncommon but at this level it's very

823
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,399
um it's very interesting and it couldn't

824
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,679
have come at a better time I think we're

825
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:04,200
seeing how unprepared for all of this

826
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:07,020
that the United States uh intelligence

827
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:09,000
agencies and possibly the military too

828
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:12,899
were not ready for and um hopefully this

829
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:16,200
will be a a lesson in what era will be

830
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:18,419
capable of doing in the future I don't

831
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,980
know what what do you think of this

832
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,960
story it's not quite a Pearl Harbor

833
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,760
Event in so much as it's an intelligence

834
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,860
failure that's leading to disaster but

835
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:27,600
it's certainly a gap in the capabilities

836
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,460
and you know they have that they haven't

837
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,260
been able to get a handle on this long

838
00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:33,240
before now and it just shows the

839
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:34,919
justification for how they say like

840
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:35,940
Arrow

841
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,340
um or or even the UAP task force as was

842
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,500
that they need to get a handle on these

843
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:42,000
things that are flying around the skies

844
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,620
the pilots are seeing and they don't

845
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,360
know what they are just from that point

846
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:47,039
of view alone from a flight safety point

847
00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:49,320
of view and from a fact that you don't

848
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:51,059
know whether these are adversarial or

849
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:52,380
whether they're simply something else

850
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,539
entirely

851
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,240
um all those things you know should

852
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:59,039
therefore justify the setting up of this

853
00:33:01,789 --> 00:33:00,840
and which they are now and actually as

854
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,799
you say this couldn't have come along

855
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:03,539
with a better time in so much as they've

856
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:05,399
got this big news story that's taken

857
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,039
over the American News agenda for for a

858
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:10,200
couple of weeks now and at the very of

859
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,840
the time they find out that Arrow itself

860
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:14,880
hasn't been funded in the way that it

861
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:16,440
was supposed to have been so it's a

862
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:18,299
great opportunity for them to push for

863
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:20,340
that money to be put forward and you

864
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,779
wouldn't want to be a beam counter now

865
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,120
trying to say to your boss and we can't

866
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:25,679
we're not going to pay this you know

867
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:26,760
there's going to be a hell of a lot of

868
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:28,620
pressure for them to go yeah okay we'll

869
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,419
give it the money it deserves

870
00:33:33,769 --> 00:33:32,159
um and I noticed in the letter that

871
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,779
they're asking for funding even through

872
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:36,720
to fiscal year 2025 so you're looking at

873
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:38,519
you know three years in the future which

874
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,779
is great

875
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:41,940
um if it does come up because you can

876
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:43,799
bet your bottom dollar that I'm using

877
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:45,179
all these American terms I'm going to

878
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:46,460
turn into it

879
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,080
we're switching places yeah we are on

880
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,720
these trading places anyway you know you

881
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:53,640
can imagine that people are still going

882
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,320
to resist it somehow there's going to be

883
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:57,360
pushback somewhere because there will

884
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,340
still be people who hold purse strings

885
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:01,919
who will be thinking I don't want to

886
00:34:06,049 --> 00:34:04,260
fund this program it's rubbish it's not

887
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:06,059
doing anything there are other ways of

888
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:08,099
doing it and of course now apparently

889
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,080
you've got a competing group as well

890
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:12,480
this interagency task force now is that

891
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:14,040
going to sipher money away or they're

892
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,080
going to find miraculously find a magic

893
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,720
money tree which the cliche can get you

894
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,520
know dollars to pay for that as well it

895
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:23,040
just seems very strange it it's it's

896
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,839
very very odd

897
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:27,599
um but then again you know actually one

898
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:29,159
other thing if you notice the list of

899
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,540
senators who put their name to that

900
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,599
one's Mark Kelly former U.S uh Navy

901
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:36,560
pilot and also and also Astronaut

902
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:40,679
Astronaut yep there you go so I like I

903
00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:42,839
would love to see him get more involved

904
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:44,820
to be honest it's interesting to say

905
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:46,500
that he's put his name to it now again

906
00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:48,179
he might be just he may be the same as

907
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:49,859
gilbrand and they're you know they

908
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,899
genuinely believe there is it's just an

909
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,480
adversarial kind of you know issue and

910
00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:56,220
that once they throw enough resources on

911
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,080
it and get enough data it'll prove that

912
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,480
you know conclusively and that might

913
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:02,339
well be the case in most cases obviously

914
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:04,920
as we know the history of ufology is

915
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:06,599
that you know the vast majority of

916
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,099
sightings turned out to be nothing in

917
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,079
the end but in such a very very small

918
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,359
core element the stuff that you know we

919
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:13,920
get really interested in because it

920
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:16,740
can't be explained in rational terms and

921
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,800
I guess you know that's what probably if

922
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,680
you've got you put people on the spot

923
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,000
arrow and you know anything else that

924
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:26,160
comes along that's been set up that's

925
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:27,599
the chances are that's what they'll find

926
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,640
but at the end of the day they'll still

927
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,800
be this you know the the kind of Nimitz

928
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:33,960
encounter type things which you're not

929
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:36,060
going to explain away as balloons you're

930
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:37,800
not going to explain away as drones or

931
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:39,560
or some other kind of foreign

932
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:42,660
reconnaissance program or platform and

933
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:43,740
those are things we'll still be

934
00:35:48,370 --> 00:35:45,180
interested in and we'll still be

935
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:48,380
discussing 20 30 50 years from now

936
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:51,540
absolutely well you couldn't have made a

937
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:52,980
better transition my friend you

938
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,500
mentioned Nimitz uh another story

939
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:58,500
actually just came out over at the

940
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:00,839
debrief and this was a opinion piece

941
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:04,380
written uh by former Lieutenant

942
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:06,359
Commander Alex Dietrich one of the

943
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,820
pilots during the famous Tic Tac event

944
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:10,800
um let me pull this up here

945
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:13,500
the power of cooperation can help us

946
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:16,380
solve the mystery of UAP

947
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:18,060
um I want to go ahead and read just a

948
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:19,980
little from this article

949
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,780
um because it gave me some hope I mean

950
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,720
I've been I've been kind of a an as we

951
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,760
say in the states and Negative Nancy

952
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:29,520
lately on Twitter because of all because

953
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,000
of balloon gate I even created balloon

954
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:36,000
Twitter you know with the old cross

955
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,280
through it like don't let them make this

956
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:40,320
all about balloons because it's not guys

957
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:42,119
it's not

958
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:43,980
um but she came out with this really

959
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,740
good piece over at the debrief and I'm

960
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:47,940
gonna go ahead and read a little bit

961
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,520
here uh these events highlight a

962
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:52,140
long-standing domain awareness Gap

963
00:36:56,569 --> 00:36:53,820
confronting our Collective Consciousness

964
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:56,579
on three fronts military defense

965
00:37:01,370 --> 00:37:00,180
Aviation safety in scientific inquiry we

966
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:01,380
are now aware of these earlier

967
00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:03,420
incursions due to political and popular

968
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:06,780
pressure to investigate and disclose UAP

969
00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:09,300
activity are they a threat are they

970
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:11,579
natural phenomena are they disruptive

971
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:14,760
Tech should we shoot them down who has

972
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,980
jurisdiction if we don't know what it is

973
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:19,020
how can we establish who is responsible

974
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:21,900
and pays for the surveillance response

975
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:24,359
and subsequent operations it's a

976
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,220
slippery slope that deters even a

977
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,320
hesitant first step towards attempting

978
00:37:34,089 --> 00:37:30,960
to answer I started asking the same

979
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:34,099
questions nearly 20 years ago in an

980
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:36,359
fa-18f flying off the coast of

981
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:38,820
California the Nimitz encounter is one

982
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:41,099
of many there are many potential answers

983
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:43,740
to the UAP mystery and those answers are

984
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:47,040
not necessarily mutually exclusive truth

985
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,380
is persistent whatever is happening here

986
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:52,380
it will be revealed how quickly depends

987
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:53,940
on our Collective commitment to

988
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:56,280
authorize and resource appropriate

989
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:58,500
agencies who can effectively leverage

990
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:01,140
sensor technology capture crowdsourced

991
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,040
reporting and mine the collective data

992
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:08,640
um let me finish here Are UFOs real yes

993
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,940
are they a foreign adversary maybe are

994
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,160
they extraterrestrial in nature it's

995
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:16,640
possible should we keep investigating

996
00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:20,760
absolutely be vigilant stay curious look

997
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,119
up we have barely tasted the sky

998
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:27,119
ah that last line I wish I could write

999
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:30,420
like that not only could she fly in F18

1000
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:34,079
is it but she can she can uh wax Poetics

1001
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:36,060
I guess what you make of this opinion

1002
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:37,500
piece by Alex

1003
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:39,420
it's interesting it's interesting it's

1004
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:40,680
come out now

1005
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,540
um so I'm not entirely sure how long you

1006
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,640
know the the debrief have held onto it

1007
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:46,320
and I know it's got it you know the

1008
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:47,579
balloon issue so it's obviously quite

1009
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:49,320
recently but it's come along at the

1010
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,700
right time as well and it's it's it's

1011
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,740
good it's great to see I actually you

1012
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,320
know engaging if you like Beyond um some

1013
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,119
comments on Twitter which is probably

1014
00:39:02,210 --> 00:38:59,760
you know and the 60-minute interview

1015
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,220
um so that's wonderful and while she's

1016
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:03,839
not you know arguing it's one thing or

1017
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,339
another she's basically asked them the

1018
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,480
questions that everybody should be

1019
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:09,119
asking uh you know themselves and even

1020
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,220
the people who you know the people who

1021
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:12,960
kind of put poor cold water all over

1022
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:15,540
this issue as well and the people on the

1023
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,920
other side of the spectrum who

1024
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,020
definitely think it's aliens you know

1025
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:20,640
the truth is almost somewhere in between

1026
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:23,160
as to you know it's never like one side

1027
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:24,599
necessary or the other

1028
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:26,339
um when I just going back to what I said

1029
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:27,720
before you know chances are a lot of the

1030
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:29,700
things that are being discussed turn out

1031
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:31,560
to be very prosaic you know I like to

1032
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,180
have in history but it's always that

1033
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,800
small core of things which you we can't

1034
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,720
explain which will maybe never explain

1035
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:38,579
or at least for it for years to come

1036
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:39,900
they're the things we're really

1037
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:42,180
interested in and as she says in her

1038
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:44,339
article you know it's possible that

1039
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:45,720
they're extraterrestrial in nature

1040
00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:47,940
should we keep investigating absolutely

1041
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:49,800
and that is the thing you have to take

1042
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:51,060
away from this article you know she's

1043
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,619
advocating that people should keep

1044
00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:54,540
pushing through the truth whatever that

1045
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,820
truth is and that's that's the bit

1046
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:58,680
that's important you know you should be

1047
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:01,079
afraid to go where the information takes

1048
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:03,540
you as a writer as somebody who's

1049
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:05,940
written a few UFO books now you know

1050
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,500
it's a case of I go where the

1051
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:09,599
information takes me and well you know

1052
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,400
wherever that leads to and that's always

1053
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:13,740
been where the way I've looked at this

1054
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:15,540
issue for years now

1055
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:16,680
um when I was younger when I was

1056
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,839
starting off I was quite idealistic and

1057
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:20,280
I used to think yeah okay it's aliens

1058
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:21,720
but actually as you get a bit older and

1059
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:23,339
you get more sensible you start to

1060
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:24,660
realize that it's not necessarily as

1061
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:25,980
clear cut as that you know there's

1062
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:28,140
always gray areas that's great aliens

1063
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:30,060
but there's always gray areas and an

1064
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:31,079
issue

1065
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,240
um and therefore it's not as you know as

1066
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:35,400
clear-cut it's not as black and white

1067
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,859
um so but that shouldn't still stop you

1068
00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:39,780
from trying to find out what is going on

1069
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,300
and that actually doesn't just include

1070
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,579
us as enthusiasts as researchers as

1071
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:47,160
writers and people you know in your

1072
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:49,380
audience who are interested it goes for

1073
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,280
military government media you name it it

1074
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:54,720
goes for everybody you know everybody's

1075
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:56,579
got a stake in this everybody should be

1076
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:58,260
interested everybody should be trying to

1077
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,300
find the truth and the people who seem

1078
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,820
not to be interested in you know in our

1079
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:04,800
public officials in the military in the

1080
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:06,359
intelligence agency you have to question

1081
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,220
why they're not interested you know

1082
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:10,619
what's stopping them or why aren't they

1083
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:12,060
coming forward and saying that you know

1084
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:13,260
there's something here there's a case

1085
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:14,520
here to answer

1086
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,359
hmm good points you know the longer I'm

1087
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:20,880
in this field the more skeptical I

1088
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,480
become of the source that lay behind a

1089
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:26,880
lot of these phenomena but you know

1090
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,240
there's a reason I'm still here some 20

1091
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,359
years later you know I a lot of this can

1092
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:36,240
be explained by Foreign Tech a lot of

1093
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,040
this can be explained by weather

1094
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,380
phenomena but there's always that small

1095
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:42,720
percentage of unknowns that keep me

1096
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,180
going I mean you know you know me Graham

1097
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,240
I'm known as like the the UFO witness

1098
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,700
and experiencer yeah that's all I do is

1099
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:53,040
interview people so you know I would

1100
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:55,079
never be the one to be like no what you

1101
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:56,760
saw was definitely one of these balloons

1102
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:59,700
no what you saw was uh surveillance

1103
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,660
equipment

1104
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:03,599
um that's just not the case for many for

1105
00:42:09,650 --> 00:42:07,619
many if not most of these civilians and

1106
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:09,660
military people who've had these

1107
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,800
experiences so I think it's good when we

1108
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,720
can explain these things prosaically

1109
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:18,240
that's the point of doing all this yeah

1110
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,040
but there's a reason we're all still

1111
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:22,560
here having the more headier

1112
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:24,440
conversations the more theoretical

1113
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:27,480
conversations and that's because a lot

1114
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,460
of what we're seeing in our skies

1115
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,320
aren't balloons a lot of what we're

1116
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:34,260
seeing aren't drones they clearly are

1117
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,660
something highly highly Advanced that

1118
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:38,640
even our sophisticated Pilots like Alex

1119
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,820
Dietrich could not outmaneuver or even

1120
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:44,040
track or catch up to yourself very true

1121
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:45,720
yeah I mean what would you rather have

1122
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:48,119
would you rather have say 400 reports

1123
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,980
that you don't know what they are or

1124
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,079
would you rather have 40 that you

1125
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:53,520
definitely don't know what they are and

1126
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,780
all the rest are explained so you can

1127
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:56,460
concentrate all your resources and all

1128
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:58,680
your you know all your scientists and

1129
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,780
all your intelligence abilities on

1130
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:03,119
working out what those 40 were rather

1131
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:04,380
than spreading them much more thinly

1132
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:07,980
over 400. I know what I'd rather have

1133
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:12,000
yeah very very good point yeah find all

1134
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:14,040
the balloons you want guys please get

1135
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,500
those out get them in the balloon like

1136
00:43:22,329 --> 00:43:19,020
entity bin I want to know what's in that

1137
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:22,339
other bin keep that other bin catch

1138
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,800
all other men yes uh I missed that term

1139
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:27,359
I hope arrow is still going to use that

1140
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:30,180
hey did you hear that Arrow just spoke

1141
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:34,200
to the uh UFO in nukes Witnesses I I

1142
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:36,420
heard recently that uh they spoke to

1143
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:41,099
Robert Hastings Robert Salas uh yes I

1144
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:42,660
saw that on Twitter earlier today that

1145
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:44,940
was um the uh Robert Salas had suddenly

1146
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,160
been talking to them so yes

1147
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:49,200
um it's uh yeah it's interesting to find

1148
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:50,760
that you know the people who were

1149
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:52,020
calling whistleblowers I mean they're

1150
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:53,400
not strictly speaking whistleblowers

1151
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:54,780
there's a different term for them but

1152
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,280
yes I know what you mean

1153
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,040
um they are coming forward without fear

1154
00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,480
of Retribution

1155
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,800
um but you have to think of this this

1156
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:03,900
far in the future how what kind of

1157
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:05,400
Retribution are they really gonna have

1158
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,760
you know like 40 60 years later kind of

1159
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:11,280
thing uh but yes it's great to see a lot

1160
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:12,660
of people coming forward and hopefully

1161
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:14,819
that will push the conversation forward

1162
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:17,099
it might not lead to huge answers but at

1163
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,599
least it gives a whole amount of

1164
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:20,160
information that the people can take

1165
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,780
away with them and they can use to spot

1166
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,760
Trends and all the rest of it and it you

1167
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,980
know the more information is better than

1168
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:28,260
less so yeah I'm all for this it's great

1169
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:31,319
right well and Alex even mentioned in

1170
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:34,560
her article about Enigma labs this new

1171
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:37,140
group that's creating this app that will

1172
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:39,540
sort of collect all the data of UFO

1173
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:42,300
reports retroactively and proactively

1174
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:43,980
and start to

1175
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,140
create a database and I know they're

1176
00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:48,000
working with arrow which I know a lot of

1177
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,819
people are not happy about uh you know

1178
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,140
whenever it comes to working with

1179
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,839
government entities everyone gets all on

1180
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,640
edge which is understandable they

1181
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:58,400
haven't been yeah

1182
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,920
yeah they even I know right you would

1183
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,420
know right

1184
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,560
so I mean it's it's

1185
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:08,280
interesting

1186
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,440
um what do you make of this Enigma Labs

1187
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:12,839
thing do you think uh something good

1188
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,480
will come of this it's a lot of work if

1189
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:16,800
they're going to have to go through to

1190
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:18,359
let's say well what's the date they've

1191
00:45:21,609 --> 00:45:20,220
got this in 1945 or so they're going but

1192
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:21,619
is that what they're going back to yeah

1193
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,859
Trinity yeah right okay okay so that is

1194
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:27,599
a huge amount of information to import

1195
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:30,900
because you know even the the cases that

1196
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,819
you know we all know and live that's a

1197
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,319
significant amount of information to put

1198
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:36,300
in and then when you if you plow through

1199
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:37,500
all the aerial sightings that I've

1200
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:38,819
written about just for that kind of six

1201
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:41,819
seven year period between 45 and uh 46

1202
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,540
and 52. that's a a job of work in itself

1203
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:47,160
again you've got the well they're not

1204
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,540
looking at the Foo Fighter reports but

1205
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,920
then you've got all the all the reports

1206
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,319
aerial reports after 52 to the present

1207
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:54,000
day all the people on the ground which

1208
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:55,740
is even more then you've got all the

1209
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:57,660
worldwide stuff are they really going to

1210
00:46:02,510 --> 00:45:59,460
be able to put all that information into

1211
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:02,520
one database because that's a it's a

1212
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:05,099
that's a lifetime's work with somebody

1213
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,660
um you know it's what it's that kind of

1214
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:08,640
what is it a thousand monkeys a thousand

1215
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:10,380
typewriters coming out with a work of

1216
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,780
Shakespeare it's not that's not going to

1217
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,280
happen it's going to have to be scaled

1218
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:16,740
down somehow you know I'm sure and I'm

1219
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:19,260
not and it kind of takes me back to Blue

1220
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:22,859
Book and the project the Patel Institute

1221
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:24,359
um when they had a lot of information

1222
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,700
that they put on a Punch Cards and ran

1223
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:29,280
through an IBM Mainframe and the spat

1224
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:30,359
out you know the fact that they would

1225
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,859
this that the other was happening and it

1226
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,260
wasn't aliens they weren't you the UFOs

1227
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,760
didn't really exist it was all just

1228
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,500
prosaic stuff

1229
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:39,180
um and but that was quite a lot of work

1230
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,859
and that took the majors as well back

1231
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,680
then of course the limitations of the uh

1232
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:45,900
equipment back then was a big factor but

1233
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:47,400
actually they kept saying oh yeah we'll

1234
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:49,380
do it in such a such a time but that

1235
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,060
timetable kept getting pushed back and

1236
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:53,280
pushed back if you look at um the

1237
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:54,660
information that came out of Blue Book

1238
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:56,940
and out of Atik at the time you know

1239
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:59,640
that timetable just kept slipping and I

1240
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,359
think

1241
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:03,119
if I'm if I'm honest if somebody asks me

1242
00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:04,920
I think this might happen to Enigma as

1243
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,819
well if they're putting all this

1244
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,560
information in that's going to be you

1245
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,720
know a never-ending task almost for

1246
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:11,460
somebody because how many people are you

1247
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:12,660
going to be able to get to put all that

1248
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:15,540
data in and if you're trying to reach a

1249
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:17,099
deadline or you're gonna have to cut

1250
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,480
down what you're putting on or you're

1251
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,220
going to miss things out you're just

1252
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,380
going to put significant or what some

1253
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,960
people claim is significant cases in

1254
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:26,280
um you know where's your criteria for

1255
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:27,540
what you leave in and what you put in

1256
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:28,920
what you leave out

1257
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:31,380
um it's a Minefield basically as far as

1258
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:33,300
I'm concerned but good luck to them if

1259
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,800
that's what they're doing and they're

1260
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,720
putting a huge amount of information in

1261
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,940
that can only be for the better but you

1262
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,440
just kind of wonder what the parameters

1263
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,000
are of that information that they're

1264
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,680
putting in I'm afraid I'm not privy to

1265
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:45,720
it's like I can't tell you

1266
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,300
yeah you I I didn't even think about

1267
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:50,880
that like what standard are they gonna

1268
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:53,339
hold it to like all right fine you're

1269
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,220
gonna put the rendersham case in but are

1270
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,680
you gonna leave out whatever happened to

1271
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:01,680
Whitley streber or you know My Neighbor

1272
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,040
Next Door uh I was talking to them at

1273
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,740
the local pub the other day and that we

1274
00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:09,300
got talking about all this stuff because

1275
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,700
they know what what I do now uh

1276
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:16,079
that was an interesting conversation

1277
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,020
I'll see the people in my Village yeah I

1278
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,839
know I know well and you know know after

1279
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:23,520
a couple beers that's when they start

1280
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,380
getting honest with you and they started

1281
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:27,960
telling me that they've seen a UFO so

1282
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:31,859
like does does their event go in but not

1283
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,400
just yours been over here does mine yeah

1284
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:37,560
sort of thing yeah I guess it really

1285
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:39,900
depends on you know this app that

1286
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,500
they're creating you submit something

1287
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:45,960
um so I mean I guess that's gonna kind

1288
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,359
of be the way that it kind of collect

1289
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:50,280
everything but that's kind of that's

1290
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,440
self-selecting as well in terms of a of

1291
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,839
a data set it only it's only as good as

1292
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,280
the people who put the information in

1293
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:59,040
and there's probably nothing some people

1294
00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:00,300
putting malicious stuff in as well

1295
00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:02,700
because how you know how kind of error

1296
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:04,859
chapters are you know how good is it as

1297
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:06,839
an interface you know does it weed out

1298
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,760
people putting stuff in which you know

1299
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,140
might not be true

1300
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:12,900
um so yeah it's

1301
00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:15,300
I hate to say it but it it's got

1302
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:16,859
potential you know sort of like for

1303
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:19,319
disaster basically you know but that

1304
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,130
um

1305
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:29,809
I know I know one of us has to say

1306
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:32,040
optimistic about all this Graham I'm I'm

1307
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:34,140
going with Andy over at that UFO podcast

1308
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,839
he's always the one him and Dan are the

1309
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,240
optimists Dan is definitely The Optimist

1310
00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:40,880
yeah yeah yeah

1311
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:42,740
uh

1312
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:45,480
I worked I worked in public service for

1313
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:46,859
far too long so that you just get really

1314
00:49:52,089 --> 00:49:49,380
old cranking and and very very cynical

1315
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,099
so uh yeah

1316
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:54,720
hey I walked by the UK government

1317
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,540
building here in Edinburgh the other day

1318
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,520
and I was this close to going and

1319
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:01,619
banging on the door and being like hey

1320
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:02,460
okay

1321
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,500
what's going on here what do you guys

1322
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:06,780
got give me give me the goods give me

1323
00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:10,140
the goods so if that's my contribution

1324
00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:14,060
to UAP media UK If I get arrested

1325
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:17,880
for the inside of a policeman I know I

1326
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,460
know can't wait then I'll know I'm truly

1327
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,280
a Brit now

1328
00:50:26,569 --> 00:50:23,520
[Laughter]

1329
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:26,579
awesome man well look we've covered all

1330
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,400
of the stuff going on in the U.S but

1331
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,200
there's a story I wanted to cover with

1332
00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:33,599
you that happened in Canada actually

1333
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:35,579
this is brought to our attention by

1334
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:38,099
Daniel Otis a wonderful journalist in

1335
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,700
Canada who covers the UFO beat

1336
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:44,040
um along with Christopher

1337
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:48,000
um uh Rakowski excuse me over in um

1338
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:51,960
Canada as well and this was really

1339
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,359
interesting I want to pull this up here

1340
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:57,180
make sure I have it

1341
00:51:02,750 --> 00:50:59,880
we're not crazy listen to a flight

1342
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:02,760
report unusual a flight report unusual

1343
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,119
lights near Yellowknife in January

1344
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,760
um so a little background on this we

1345
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:11,040
have audio actually from the flight

1346
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,740
control tower and the pilots who who

1347
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,119
cited this thing that we're going to

1348
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:17,339
play here in just a moment

1349
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,220
um but this comes from CTV News air

1350
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:22,440
traffic controllers and in a protein

1351
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,119
flight couldn't Identify two white

1352
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,339
lights moving in a circular pattern that

1353
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:28,800
reported reported over Yellowknife late

1354
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,880
on January 29th

1355
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:34,559
excuse me as the flight got closer to

1356
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:36,359
Yellowknife the Canadian North crew

1357
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,220
described seeing the lights moving

1358
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,980
around in a circular pattern well above

1359
00:51:46,010 --> 00:51:42,960
them approximately 20 kilometers

1360
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:46,020
Northwest of the airport

1361
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:49,020
um so Graham why don't we play the audio

1362
00:51:52,250 --> 00:51:50,700
and then

1363
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:52,260
um yeah I want to get your thoughts on

1364
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:53,880
this because I know you've looked a lot

1365
00:52:00,690 --> 00:51:58,680
into Aviation and UFOs so this will be

1366
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:00,700
fun let me go ahead and play this here

1367
00:52:12,829 --> 00:52:08,819
[Music]

1368
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:12,839
that are just the easier field do a

1369
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,760
circuits or

1370
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,880
put overs

1371
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:19,200
Nicholas I have no report of traffic in

1372
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:20,460
the area do you have a visual or

1373
00:52:24,430 --> 00:52:22,440
something you know we're looking at two

1374
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:24,440
lights dads that are out here

1375
00:52:30,130 --> 00:52:27,800
that uh to the east of your field

1376
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,140
they're above us

1377
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:32,880
uh well I don't know what we're not

1378
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:35,220
seeing them on T gas but you see the

1379
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,619
lights moving around I don't have

1380
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,780
anything on the radar either let me uh

1381
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:42,240
talk to the center [\h__\h] five zero

1382
00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:43,460
seven one

1383
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:45,020
[Music]

1384
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:48,059
doesn't have anything about any movement

1385
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:49,980
in the area so I'm really wondering what

1386
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:52,500
you're seeing there look at that so are

1387
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:54,359
we

1388
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:57,000
have you said you're uh over your

1389
00:53:02,829 --> 00:53:00,420
position so they're uh they're above us

1390
00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:02,839
we're in a deadly 12 000 feet we're

1391
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,599
almost 30 miles back of your field over

1392
00:53:11,050 --> 00:53:08,000
the lake

1393
00:53:17,650 --> 00:53:14,410
[Music]

1394
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:17,660
of the city

1395
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,180
probably by maybe 20 30 miles but

1396
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:23,760
they're well above us we saw when we

1397
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,609
all right I'm trying to look I don't I

1398
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,559
don't see them from the ground here

1399
00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:37,200
um well I'll keep an eye out I'll talk

1400
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:39,140
with Hunter again

1401
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,940
[Music]

1402
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,920
the risk to us we just throw something

1403
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:45,119
different if we just didn't know what it

1404
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:46,880
was if you guys

1405
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:49,319
no we got nothing that's uh quite

1406
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,640
strange do you guys want any advisory

1407
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:54,900
might as well we're fighting it for the

1408
00:54:01,210 --> 00:53:58,319
uh aren't out of uh Runway 34 direct

1409
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:01,220
maybe I'll get this done

1410
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,260
and he said that you just uh you had a

1411
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,960
visual on them still while Landing

1412
00:54:11,950 --> 00:54:09,839
yeah we had a visual as we were rolling

1413
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:11,960
down 34.

1414
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:15,359
okay so I'll I just reported the two

1415
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:17,700
Centric you will look into it I'll file

1416
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,099
a service report this is a one we have

1417
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:22,800
some sightings that we cannot explain I

1418
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:24,059
don't know if you guys have something

1419
00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:25,619
you can do the same on your side but

1420
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,210
[Music]

1421
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:38,880
that

1422
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:42,170
[Music]

1423
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:47,210
but not crazy

1424
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:50,890
I love that we're not crazy

1425
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,180
so I mean and I see people in the chat

1426
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:56,640
saying racetrack UFOs racetrack UFOs

1427
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,119
could it be starlink um

1428
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,700
I believe it was in the article correct

1429
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:05,280
me if I'm wrong but they said it was so

1430
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:07,140
low that there's absolutely no way it

1431
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:09,480
could have been starlink in this case

1432
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:12,119
but um and this also apparently wasn't

1433
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,980
the only incident the incident also

1434
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:16,319
appears in a pair of reports published

1435
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,420
on transport Canada's online Aviation

1436
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,119
incident database on February 10th and

1437
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:24,480
February 14th with data provided

1438
00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:25,980
um Transport Canada and the Department

1439
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:28,619
of National Defense did not reply to

1440
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:31,319
requests for comment uh last thing I'll

1441
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:33,240
say here Graham a spokesperson for

1442
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:35,160
Canadian North could offer no

1443
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:37,020
explanation for what the crew witnessed

1444
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:39,000
with nothing in the report which would

1445
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:40,680
represent a risk or threat to our

1446
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:43,740
aircraft passengers or operations there

1447
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:46,980
was nothing requiring follow-up yeah you

1448
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:48,420
have to wonder what kind of criteria

1449
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,040
they use to determine what needs to be

1450
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,599
followed up and what doesn't does it

1451
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:52,920
literally have to be on the nose of The

1452
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:54,059
Airliner before they're going to take

1453
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,980
action does it you'll have to have to

1454
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:57,359
involve something falling out the sky

1455
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:58,980
and you know crashing into a plane

1456
00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:01,380
before the action it's a it'll be

1457
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,579
interesting to find out what their

1458
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,500
particular trigger point is for actually

1459
00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:06,240
you know following it up and what the

1460
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:08,520
follow-up would be because a lot of

1461
00:56:11,089 --> 00:56:09,780
these instruments you know that it's

1462
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:11,099
always the case that they never follow

1463
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,800
them up because they just they just glib

1464
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,480
kind of statement that they're not you

1465
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,240
know they're not not significant

1466
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:19,440
um but you just think well if it's

1467
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:20,520
flying around you don't know what to do

1468
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:22,020
surely that is a flight safety issue

1469
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,980
because you know what it's going to do

1470
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,960
next you don't know whether it's quite

1471
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:26,400
close to the aircraft it's really small

1472
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:28,140
or whether it's a long way away and it's

1473
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:29,220
huge

1474
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:32,520
um you just don't know but this story is

1475
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:34,800
effectively just the latest in a long

1476
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,800
line of incidents of things either

1477
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:39,599
lights or objects which have been seen

1478
00:56:43,849 --> 00:56:42,059
in close proximity to aircraft

1479
00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:43,859
um operating in and out of airports

1480
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:45,720
fairly close to airports as well I

1481
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:47,160
believe the story says that this thing

1482
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,079
was estimated that what something like

1483
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,599
within 20 kilometers of the of Yellow

1484
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,640
Knife so that's quite close you know

1485
00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:55,200
that's almost in the landing circuit

1486
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:56,220
kind of thing

1487
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,020
um it it was quite close to the airport

1488
00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:59,760
and if it's a busy airport you

1489
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,140
potentially we have lots of aircraft

1490
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,119
flying around which may have to take

1491
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,280
avoiding action or it distracts the

1492
00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:06,960
pilots if nothing else from what they

1493
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,480
should be doing at certain times so you

1494
00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:12,000
know it's an issue to start with and of

1495
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:13,079
course it's something else for the

1496
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:14,579
controllers to have to deal with and

1497
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:16,200
they're in a high pressure environment

1498
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:17,880
anyway so you know the last thing you

1499
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,380
want to do is start having your

1500
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,599
controllers trying to look at something

1501
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:23,760
and deal with something which is think

1502
00:57:26,569 --> 00:57:25,020
you know outside what they should be

1503
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,579
doing anyway which is ensuring the

1504
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,079
safety of the aircraft and make sure

1505
00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:30,240
they don't fly into each other so it's

1506
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:32,099
really weird but you don't have to go

1507
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:33,540
back into history and they'll say you

1508
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:35,339
know I'm an aviation historian and I

1509
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,480
write about this kind of thing in the

1510
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:38,160
UFO angle but you go back to what

1511
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,980
January 51 Sioux City

1512
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:43,440
um and the the pilot the the crew of a

1513
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,900
Dakota aircraft uh a regular service

1514
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,059
flying it you know in out the airport

1515
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:50,640
and there's this thing it's some it's

1516
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:52,980
bigger than a B-29 super Fortress it's a

1517
00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:54,900
cross-shaped object and it's flying

1518
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:57,480
around near the airport almost in the

1519
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:59,400
kind of Landing pattern if you like and

1520
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:01,380
and they have to like you know turn to

1521
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:03,660
almost to avoid it at one stage and then

1522
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,099
the tower don't know what the hell it is

1523
00:58:08,809 --> 00:58:06,720
and the crew certainly don't know what

1524
00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:08,819
this thing is and why is if it is a

1525
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:10,260
military aircraft why the hell is it

1526
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:13,020
flying so close to a civilian airport uh

1527
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:14,339
getting in the way potentially of

1528
00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:16,260
aircraft coming in and out it's weird

1529
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:18,780
and then of course he moved forward to

1530
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:20,460
um 1953 and this is something I'm

1531
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,980
writing about for the book uh which will

1532
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:25,440
be released shortly and you've got a uh

1533
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:27,900
an Air Force Base in North Africa where

1534
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:30,059
you've got b36 peacemakers nuclear

1535
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:32,040
bombers which are operating in out there

1536
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,540
on detachments but then you've got

1537
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,760
transport Transport Aircraft coming in

1538
00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:37,680
and they're seeing strange lights flying

1539
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,240
around the airport

1540
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,760
um when they're coming into land and so

1541
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:43,200
again you know these are early

1542
00:58:46,849 --> 00:58:45,420
indications that you know those strange

1543
00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:46,859
things happen then and they can't be

1544
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:49,619
starlink so you know you can write off

1545
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:53,220
certain things nowadays these uh

1546
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,540
developments in kind of satellite

1547
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,640
technology and Earth and drones and all

1548
00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:58,380
the rest of it they muddy the waters a

1549
00:59:02,270 --> 00:58:59,940
bit in terms of trying to work out why

1550
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,280
what these things are but you've still

1551
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,079
got these core of stories throughout the

1552
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,200
decades where Pilots see things in close

1553
00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:08,880
proximity to airports you've got the

1554
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:11,339
Chicago O'Hare instant for for instance

1555
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:13,020
obviously that was a daytime setting it

1556
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:14,460
wasn't a light but it was something in

1557
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,280
the sky and just wonder why are these

1558
00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:19,440
things so close to airports and they

1559
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:21,059
still can't get a handle on exactly what

1560
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:22,079
they are

1561
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:25,140
yeah exactly and I know the debrief is

1562
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:28,260
working on a piece right now kind of an

1563
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,680
update to the Chicago O'Hare incident so

1564
00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:33,599
that'll be interesting to see what they

1565
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:37,079
broke up on that but uh wow that cross

1566
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:39,180
one kind of gave me jealous man I I

1567
00:59:45,049 --> 00:59:42,540
hadn't heard of that one but it does

1568
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,059
speak to the bigger issue and it's clear

1569
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,760
and we've been talking about it a lot of

1570
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:49,920
it lately with the work of Ryan graves

1571
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:52,680
in his new uh committee that he's put

1572
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:55,020
together in the United States at least

1573
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,480
where you can now commercial pilots can

1574
01:00:03,049 --> 00:59:59,640
report these things you know without

1575
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,059
stigma without ridicule just give us the

1576
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:05,520
report of what you saw and we will

1577
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:09,180
educate you know you and whether it's

1578
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,579
your flight Tower operators on look

1579
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:12,960
these are the things you should look out

1580
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:13,980
for

1581
01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:15,660
um these are the protocols you could

1582
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:18,540
take here at this airport to make sure

1583
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:22,799
nothing happens and um and yeah so uh my

1584
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:25,079
only hope is that that will happen in

1585
01:00:30,049 --> 01:00:27,059
Canada as well and then bleed over into

1586
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:30,059
over into Europe and other countries to

1587
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:32,280
do this too because Vinnie and I were

1588
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,780
talking last week about a case that

1589
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:35,640
happened you know somewhat recently

1590
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:39,299
where an RAF jet uh something buzzed by

1591
01:00:43,789 --> 01:00:42,359
it a small donut-shaped object and I

1592
01:00:44,650 --> 01:00:43,799
believe they use the word drone at one

1593
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:44,660
point

1594
01:00:49,569 --> 01:00:48,000
certain that happened 25 miles from

1595
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:49,579
where I live

1596
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,980
yeah yeah it happened actually over what

1597
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:54,960
they call curricula gliding Club

1598
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,579
um but it wasn't the day when the Glen

1599
01:00:59,809 --> 01:00:58,559
Clinic was working and it was an RF

1600
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:59,819
transport it was it was a repellent

1601
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,380
driven aircraft it wasn't a jet but it

1602
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:03,359
was uh it was that it was near 400

1603
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:05,220
transport but you're right there was a

1604
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,839
kind of it was like a donut shape object

1605
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:08,700
now the working theory is apparently

1606
01:01:11,930 --> 01:01:10,500
that it was some kind of party balloon

1607
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,940
that had gone up to you know whatever

1608
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,400
altitude it was like a zero that that's

1609
01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:16,319
the working kind of theory from the

1610
01:01:20,030 --> 01:01:18,119
people I've you know I've heard that

1611
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,040
have talked about this incident

1612
01:01:24,049 --> 01:01:22,559
um but again you know that's just Theory

1613
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,059
just me to say that's exactly what it

1614
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:26,280
was and it's just one that's will never

1615
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:28,140
be explained probably what entirely what

1616
01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:29,520
what the thing was but yeah it

1617
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:30,839
definitely shocked the five currents as

1618
01:01:34,670 --> 01:01:32,819
much as they reported it and that's what

1619
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:34,680
happens and of course you just have to

1620
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:35,880
read through some of the air prox

1621
01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:38,579
reports the the air aircraft proximity

1622
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:40,619
the ones where there's it's like the

1623
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:42,780
classes are near miss with objects which

1624
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,460
people don't understand and you can see

1625
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:46,319
all these reports so you can find them

1626
01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:48,420
online that the civil aviation Authority

1627
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:51,180
in the UK actually publish each year and

1628
01:01:54,589 --> 01:01:52,680
some of them you know are really

1629
01:01:56,030 --> 01:01:54,599
interesting it might turn out that

1630
01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:56,040
they're drones and a lot of the time

1631
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:57,960
they are but other things aren't quite

1632
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:59,160
as clear-cut

1633
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:00,540
um there was a there was a case some

1634
01:02:05,450 --> 01:02:02,520
years ago of a couple of f-15s out of

1635
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:05,460
lakenheath in the UK and they they came

1636
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,040
across an object in mid-air you know

1637
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:10,559
over Southern England and there was

1638
01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:13,020
radio chatter between the two pilots

1639
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,520
um and also to the tower but you

1640
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:16,559
couldn't hear the the that side of the

1641
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:18,059
conversation but they came across

1642
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,140
something in mid-air that they did

1643
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:21,839
several passes uh past this object and

1644
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:23,400
they still weren't you know any of the

1645
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:26,040
wiser than what it was so these things

1646
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:27,599
are happening fairly reasonably

1647
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:28,680
frequently

1648
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,280
yeah and and I think it's good that

1649
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:34,680
we're hearing about more it doesn't mean

1650
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:36,839
that you know we're we're experiencing

1651
01:02:42,049 --> 01:02:40,079
more UFOs at an alarming rate it just

1652
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,059
means they're finally being reported and

1653
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:44,520
I think that kind of speaks to the what

1654
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,200
we've been talking about everything

1655
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:49,440
tonight that we're now seeing all these

1656
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,839
things because they're now looking for

1657
01:02:56,510 --> 01:02:54,240
them and they're now reporting them and

1658
01:02:59,809 --> 01:02:56,520
this is a completely different culture

1659
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,819
than it was just a few years ago so I

1660
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:01,440
have no doubt you know we're going to

1661
01:03:07,549 --> 01:03:04,140
hear more about shootdowns or or more

1662
01:03:10,730 --> 01:03:07,559
balloons and I think the big concern

1663
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:10,740
right now Graham is that the UFO

1664
01:03:16,210 --> 01:03:13,260
conversation is going to get so bogged

1665
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,220
down with balloons and

1666
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:19,200
surveillance and drones and it's been

1667
01:03:22,609 --> 01:03:20,940
there all along that's always been a

1668
01:03:25,490 --> 01:03:22,619
part of the conversation but that it's

1669
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:25,500
going to overshadow everything and that

1670
01:03:30,049 --> 01:03:27,960
everything now is going to be attributed

1671
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:30,059
to a balloon and and that's what the US

1672
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:32,700
government wanted all along that's kind

1673
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,740
of the theory that a lot of people are

1674
01:03:38,089 --> 01:03:36,720
working with you can understand from the

1675
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:38,099
kind of Skeptics point of view it's

1676
01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:39,420
almost like a kind of your mother from

1677
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:40,920
heaven for the likes of you know Stephen

1678
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,780
Green Street and Midwest and people in

1679
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:44,160
the US government who just want to like

1680
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,599
you know put a lid on this you know

1681
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:46,799
balloon well they're all going to be

1682
01:03:49,549 --> 01:03:48,119
balloons aren't they and you've seen

1683
01:03:52,010 --> 01:03:49,559
that kind of thing already from certain

1684
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:52,020
people saying that you know this is what

1685
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:53,640
they are why is everybody getting so

1686
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:54,900
head over by the fact that there could

1687
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:56,940
be UFOs well actually they are UFOs

1688
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,740
until they're identified so you know

1689
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,480
that there's the phrase that you use and

1690
01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:02,640
obviously people use uip now so it's the

1691
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,180
same thing but yes it's a it's it's just

1692
01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:07,920
like that all at Christmas's birthdays

1693
01:04:11,329 --> 01:04:09,540
have come along at once and you've

1694
01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:11,339
already seen um you know newspaper

1695
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:13,020
articles and magazine articles over

1696
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:14,940
Vanity Fair one I think recently as well

1697
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:16,859
that they've just come out say well yeah

1698
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:18,359
really it's nothing to get worked up

1699
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:19,740
about the chances are they're just

1700
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,380
balloons and yeah that's probably right

1701
01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:24,839
in in most cases or not balloons but

1702
01:04:29,630 --> 01:04:28,020
something else prosaic but again the

1703
01:04:31,970 --> 01:04:29,640
more information we have the more data

1704
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,980
that's collected we'll find like we have

1705
01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:34,079
throughout history that are still a

1706
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,540
fairly significant proportion of cases

1707
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,119
that we simply can't identify and they

1708
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:40,799
can't be written off as these things

1709
01:04:46,130 --> 01:04:44,160
they simply just do defy any type

1710
01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:46,140
attempts to work out what the hell they

1711
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,940
are and I mean you know you just have to

1712
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:49,920
go back to the Tic Tac for that that

1713
01:04:54,589 --> 01:04:52,559
still people I know people have said oh

1714
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,599
it's just some kind of missile test but

1715
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,400
really you know you have to ask yourself

1716
01:05:00,170 --> 01:04:58,079
given all the information that was

1717
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,180
around that about the speeds about the

1718
01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:02,160
kind of maneuverability about the fact

1719
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:03,900
that it just did kind of right angle

1720
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:05,040
Corners

1721
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:06,720
um it didn't you know sort of bank and

1722
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:08,460
turn like an aircraft would or even a

1723
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,900
missile would

1724
01:05:13,789 --> 01:05:12,000
um it's just you know it's beyond the

1725
01:05:15,530 --> 01:05:13,799
kind of possibilities of the technology

1726
01:05:18,289 --> 01:05:15,540
that we have at the moment and I dare

1727
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:18,299
say it I or advert potential adversaries

1728
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,859
as well they don't have that kind of

1729
01:05:24,349 --> 01:05:21,839
tech because if they did let's say the

1730
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,359
Russians had it then you know Ukraine

1731
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,160
wouldn't exist anymore it would be a

1732
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:27,839
case it would be part of Russia now if

1733
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:30,000
the if the Chinese had it Taiwan would

1734
01:05:33,650 --> 01:05:31,740
be the you know just a province of China

1735
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:33,660
by now so

1736
01:05:37,370 --> 01:05:35,099
um you know and if the Americans had it

1737
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:37,380
well who knows what might happen so

1738
01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:38,940
you've got to ask yourself these kind of

1739
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:40,680
questions that you don't just sit on

1740
01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:42,540
that kind of technology and not use it

1741
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:44,700
especially if in a war situation like

1742
01:05:48,049 --> 01:05:45,900
what's happening in Ukraine at the

1743
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:48,059
moment or you have a bit of land that

1744
01:05:53,089 --> 01:05:50,579
you want to grab like the Chinese in

1745
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:53,099
Taiwan so it's a bit weird to try and

1746
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:54,780
work out you know why is that something

1747
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:56,940
that somebody else has or if it's the

1748
01:05:59,930 --> 01:05:58,260
Americans have it you know why aren't

1749
01:06:02,569 --> 01:05:59,940
you know why other things happening as

1750
01:06:04,430 --> 01:06:02,579
well so yeah um I don't I don't

1751
01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:04,440
subscribe to this kind of oh it's just a

1752
01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:07,079
missile sort of thing yeah yeah you're

1753
01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:09,240
right I mean what could be worse than

1754
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:13,319
like a potential nuclear war uh pending

1755
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:16,920
nuclear war to to bring these things you

1756
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,540
know finally bring them out to use and

1757
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:20,880
we're not seeing that on any end of this

1758
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:23,640
spectrum so yeah man like like I always

1759
01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:27,900
say all we need is one one case to break

1760
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:30,680
the entire conversation

1761
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,000
the Skeptics have to basically knock

1762
01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:35,460
every case down no matter how you know

1763
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:37,500
how good or how bad it is and the bad

1764
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:39,299
ones yeah if it's low information zone

1765
01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:40,980
is certain people keep calling them

1766
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:42,900
that's great they can always do that but

1767
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:44,640
when there's a lot of information like

1768
01:06:47,390 --> 01:06:46,200
the again going back to the limits one

1769
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:47,400
where you've got so much information

1770
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:49,799
you've got really credible observers who

1771
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:51,420
you know and you've got radar to back it

1772
01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:53,039
up and all the rest of it that they're

1773
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,559
not so easy to knock down and you know

1774
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:57,119
we still find that they can't do it

1775
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:59,640
satisfactorily to everybody's agreement

1776
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:01,740
so therefore they can chip away a little

1777
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:03,780
bits of it and they can try and explain

1778
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:06,119
little bits of it away but actually that

1779
01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:08,039
doesn't explain the whole thing and even

1780
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:10,020
then sometimes when they try and explain

1781
01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:12,119
that little chip it turns out that

1782
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:13,559
actually no they're not really doing

1783
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,180
that you know they're just kind of

1784
01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:17,280
floating things in mid-air just to uh

1785
01:07:19,789 --> 01:07:18,839
just to try and sound you know as if

1786
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:19,799
they know what they're talking about a

1787
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,680
lot of the time so yeah yeah here's the

1788
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:24,720
hypothetical for you before we wrap

1789
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:28,619
things up here Graham if tomorrow like

1790
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:32,160
Arrow or in the near future let's say

1791
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:35,900
Arrow was able to maybe retroactively

1792
01:07:43,069 --> 01:07:40,319
explain the Tic Tac or we're able to

1793
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:43,079
explain you know they they go faster

1794
01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:45,960
what not to Ryan Graves

1795
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:48,780
um do you think someone like Ryan Graves

1796
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,260
or even Alex Dietrich would accept that

1797
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,240
answer that they gave I know a lot of

1798
01:07:57,289 --> 01:07:56,160
the public probably wouldn't but do you

1799
01:07:58,730 --> 01:07:57,299
think these pilots who actually

1800
01:08:01,609 --> 01:07:58,740
encountered these things would be like

1801
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:01,619
okay yeah I trust you guys like yeah you

1802
01:08:05,569 --> 01:08:03,780
weren't there but um you've done the

1803
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:05,579
homework you've got all the data we were

1804
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,900
able to provide

1805
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:09,119
um okay sure sure it was that what do

1806
01:08:13,250 --> 01:08:10,680
you think I mean I know that's a huge

1807
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:13,260
sweep no it's fine I I mean it's

1808
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:14,579
certainly something I've sort of thought

1809
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:15,900
about before you know what happens if it

1810
01:08:18,829 --> 01:08:16,920
is something kind of you know something

1811
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:18,839
that can't be explained and I guess it

1812
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,980
depends on the information that they're

1813
01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:22,080
given as to you know what it is what its

1814
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:24,060
capabilities are so if it turns out that

1815
01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:25,440
the Americans have suddenly designed

1816
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,160
some kind kind of trans medium or the

1817
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:31,199
sort of thing that actually you know can

1818
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:33,660
move without inertia that can accelerate

1819
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:35,640
huge amounts of speed in the blink of an

1820
01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:37,020
eye and comfortable stop again in the

1821
01:08:42,289 --> 01:08:39,060
same kind of time zone can drop out the

1822
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:42,299
sky uh in the in less than a second from

1823
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:45,000
80 000 5027 and all the rest of it and

1824
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,920
go and move around like a ping pong ball

1825
01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:48,900
inside a bottle uh without having to

1826
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:50,279
bank and turn and all the rest of it

1827
01:08:54,769 --> 01:08:52,140
like conventional aircraft and missiles

1828
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,779
then yes if you can prove all that

1829
01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:56,400
exists and it can be and it's been

1830
01:08:59,870 --> 01:08:57,540
developed and it's been turned into

1831
01:09:01,789 --> 01:08:59,880
something useful there and you can even

1832
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,799
demonstrate it with footage or with

1833
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,420
plans schematics and all the rest of it

1834
01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:05,520
and present it to somebody who's fairly

1835
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:08,759
pragmatic or very pragmatic like like Mr

1836
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:11,880
Gray's or or Alex Dietrich then yes I'm

1837
01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:14,040
sure they would accept it now the public

1838
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:15,779
certain subject of the public will

1839
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,699
always go oh well no I don't believe you

1840
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,199
and come up with reasons why they

1841
01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:20,880
wouldn't but you know if there was

1842
01:09:27,050 --> 01:09:24,120
enough information to categorically rule

1843
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:27,060
it out as something prosaic then yes I'm

1844
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:28,620
sure they would accept it because well

1845
01:09:31,789 --> 01:09:30,179
what else would you do you're not going

1846
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:31,799
to stick your head in the sand and just

1847
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:33,960
refuse to believe it if you're presented

1848
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,940
with a fit to complete but if it's

1849
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:37,920
somewhat kind of gray area where you've

1850
01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:39,660
got some guy on Twitter just saying oh

1851
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:41,339
it's just a missile test we all know

1852
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:43,080
that and they've got nothing to actually

1853
01:09:47,209 --> 01:09:45,420
back it up then obviously that's when

1854
01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:47,219
you you start wondering well you know

1855
01:09:50,150 --> 01:09:48,779
where's your information coming from how

1856
01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:50,160
do you know this you haven't got

1857
01:09:53,150 --> 01:09:51,719
anything to back it up and of course

1858
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,160
that's the history of uthology as well

1859
01:09:57,370 --> 01:09:54,960
the people make statements like that

1860
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,380
without anything to to actually to to

1861
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,760
reinforce what they're saying and we're

1862
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:01,679
back to square one so

1863
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:03,960
uh it's not likely though

1864
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:07,440
um I think if we're looking at 2004 I

1865
01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:08,940
think that by now if it had been

1866
01:10:14,090 --> 01:10:10,980
something there would have been some

1867
01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:14,100
kind of Whispers if nothing else in the

1868
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:15,540
U.S Navy you know the aviation

1869
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,400
fraternity and information probably

1870
01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:19,679
would have got to them somehow to say

1871
01:10:25,610 --> 01:10:22,620
look guys it's this and then it would

1872
01:10:27,530 --> 01:10:25,620
have gone away whereas still you know um

1873
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:27,540
David forever and Alex Dietrich they're

1874
01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:30,719
still clearly unaware of what they are

1875
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:33,239
um so yeah you know go figure

1876
01:10:38,209 --> 01:10:36,300
yeah I know go figure

1877
01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:38,219
um well I do want to throw this up here

1878
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,260
for just a moment Graham before we go

1879
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:42,540
Android paranormal with a super chat

1880
01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:45,179
asks thoughts on all this being a hoax

1881
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:49,020
by the government to discredit UFOs

1882
01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:50,820
um we talked a little kind of in this

1883
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:54,300
area but I mean look it like we said

1884
01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:57,300
this will influence the entire UFO

1885
01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:59,699
conversation moving forward and a lot of

1886
01:11:03,530 --> 01:11:01,320
people think the reason they shot these

1887
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:03,540
things down and they're not recovering

1888
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,940
them is that uh they are eventually

1889
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:07,920
gonna say they were all balloons or they

1890
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:10,199
were all you know whether it was from

1891
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,360
the United States or another country and

1892
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:14,239
that this is kind of the plan to

1893
01:11:18,530 --> 01:11:16,440
inundate people's minds with this

1894
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:18,540
thought that everything in the sky can

1895
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:20,280
be explained

1896
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:24,239
um and that true UFOs unidentifieds that

1897
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:26,940
cannot prosaically be explained

1898
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:28,920
um will go to the Wayside and people

1899
01:11:33,229 --> 01:11:31,560
will forget about it you know I I talked

1900
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:33,239
to a gentleman the other day

1901
01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:37,080
who said you know they were UF uaps for

1902
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,940
the last few years but the moment they

1903
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,800
shot him down and said it was you know

1904
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:43,440
these things can be explained uh that

1905
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:45,239
they're back to being called the UFOs

1906
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:48,239
unidentified objects again so it's like

1907
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,460
what is going on here it seems to be

1908
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:53,040
this weird game they're playing with

1909
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,380
terminology and everything and I don't

1910
01:11:59,209 --> 01:11:56,640
know what are your thoughts on all that

1911
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:59,219
well there's me babbling just just going

1912
01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:00,480
to this gentleman's site you use

1913
01:12:04,189 --> 01:12:02,460
observation there yes it doesn't even

1914
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:04,199
have to be a hoax because obviously the

1915
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:06,060
noble shot swing down

1916
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:07,860
um and it turned out to be a balloon so

1917
01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:09,960
it's not that's not even a hoax that is

1918
01:12:15,229 --> 01:12:12,780
a real thing yeah you know it happened

1919
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:15,239
so it doesn't actually have to be a hoax

1920
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:17,400
to discredit UFOs in general and we've

1921
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:19,260
already seen that because of the opinion

1922
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:21,780
pieces in magazines and newspapers and

1923
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:23,580
certain commentators saying that's all

1924
01:12:27,709 --> 01:12:25,980
they are they're just balloons so you

1925
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,719
know you can take the hoax element out

1926
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:30,000
of it already it's a fact it's it's

1927
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,800
basically been delivered to the to the

1928
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:34,320
naysayers on a plate just say look you

1929
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:36,120
know they are just balloons that's all

1930
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:38,640
they are so everybody who who subscribes

1931
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,440
to that point of view is running with it

1932
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,239
already whereas everybody else is now

1933
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:43,920
starting to Scrabble to try and make

1934
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:45,420
sense of it all and the people who

1935
01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:47,400
aren't necessarily that kind of you know

1936
01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:49,500
sort of that way inclined are still

1937
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:51,000
trying to Grapple with the fact that

1938
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:52,140
well actually we don't know really what

1939
01:12:55,610 --> 01:12:53,640
those are we still need more information

1940
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:55,620
to explain these other three that

1941
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:56,940
haven't been retrieved as far as we're

1942
01:13:00,530 --> 01:12:59,280
aware so we're still in the dark

1943
01:13:02,090 --> 01:13:00,540
um so that's really what you have to

1944
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,100
take away from this is it's not

1945
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,560
necessarily a hoax it's still a genuine

1946
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,719
kind of you know set of events that just

1947
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:07,920
happen to have happened at a certain

1948
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:10,500
time at a certain place

1949
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:11,580
um in

1950
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,040
and about this kind of thing where ARA's

1951
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:16,320
been underfunded there's this

1952
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:19,020
um clearly you know a reason why they've

1953
01:13:22,010 --> 01:13:20,460
thought well we need to actually set up

1954
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,020
another agency in light of the Chinese

1955
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:24,480
Bible um balloon shutdown

1956
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,620
um which just so happens these are the

1957
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:27,360
three things happening at you know came

1958
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,699
along straight afterwards it it might

1959
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,679
simply just be the fact that these

1960
01:13:35,930 --> 01:13:33,360
things have been coming through

1961
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,940
um in the atmosphere for years and they

1962
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:37,199
haven't had a handle on it because they

1963
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:39,060
haven't really been looking for it you

1964
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:41,880
know so it could be just that simple

1965
01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:43,620
um you know it's like it's almost like

1966
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:45,420
Occam's razor you know the simplest

1967
01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:47,940
explanation is usually the truthful one

1968
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,300
um so that that might be what it is but

1969
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:53,760
it's again it's it's this vacuum of

1970
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,040
information of you know therefore people

1971
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,320
fill in the blanks themselves and of

1972
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,239
course you know the kind of you know

1973
01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:03,360
World wheels and habit is likely to at

1974
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:05,880
some stage turn to conspiracy theories

1975
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:08,699
and therefore is it going to be a hooks

1976
01:14:13,790 --> 01:14:11,100
on behalf of the US government my

1977
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:13,800
feelings about hoaxes and kind of

1978
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:16,260
cover-ups in terms of governments are

1979
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:18,120
the governments are usually the worst to

1980
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:19,260
do it because they're usually

1981
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,699
incompetent

1982
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,560
um you know individually and

1983
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,199
collectively however that doesn't

1984
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:26,880
necessarily say that some other part of

1985
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:28,620
government and some maybe some sport

1986
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,540
part of the military or the intelligence

1987
01:14:34,669 --> 01:14:32,880
Community aren't responsible so I'm not

1988
01:14:36,410 --> 01:14:34,679
ruling out entirely

1989
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:36,420
um you know I can I can put my tin foil

1990
01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:38,760
hat on with with ease in that in that

1991
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:41,159
respect but

1992
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:43,500
um you know in terms of an of a unified

1993
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,980
response by government capital G then no

1994
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:48,719
I don't think that that they're that

1995
01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:50,280
good to be honest to be able to pull it

1996
01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:52,199
off successfully

1997
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:54,060
um you know our our government in the UK

1998
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:55,260
couldn't do that they can't even do

1999
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:57,179
policy correctly so therefore there was

2000
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,320
no way they'd be able to come up with

2001
01:15:03,169 --> 01:15:00,960
some amazing kind of um you know sort of

2002
01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:03,179
a thing to hide everything that's going

2003
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:04,980
on they're just not that good

2004
01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:06,120
um and again you have to look at the

2005
01:15:09,470 --> 01:15:07,560
kind of things like the moon landing you

2006
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:09,480
know conspiracies oh it didn't happen

2007
01:15:12,530 --> 01:15:10,800
well you have to have a hell of a lot of

2008
01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:12,540
people to make that work so therefore

2009
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,219
this is just exactly the same kind of

2010
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:16,560
thing it's not going to fly I'm sorry

2011
01:15:22,750 --> 01:15:19,920
yeah absolutely I wish the world was

2012
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:22,760
more like the X-Files sometimes

2013
01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:25,980
we can always dream and maybe it is if

2014
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,440
we're if we're wrong Graham uh we live

2015
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:30,239
in a simulation allegedly a bus but

2016
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:32,100
according to some people and you never

2017
01:15:37,930 --> 01:15:36,060
know yeah no who knows I know I know it

2018
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:37,940
feels like it more and more each day

2019
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:40,860
well hey again

2020
01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:42,840
um we're gonna wrap things up here I've

2021
01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:45,780
kept you longer than I uh I had promised

2022
01:15:49,870 --> 01:15:48,360
you so again thank you so much for

2023
01:15:53,450 --> 01:15:49,880
stepping in last minute

2024
01:15:55,729 --> 01:15:53,460
with us tonight but obviously before you

2025
01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:55,739
go please let us know what you're

2026
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,140
working on where we can find everything

2027
01:16:03,649 --> 01:16:00,480
you're up to and yeah Give It All To Us

2028
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:03,659
my man okay so yeah I'm on Twitter

2029
01:16:08,209 --> 01:16:07,140
um my handle is I've bought a 750 so if

2030
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,219
you want to catch it with what I'm doing

2031
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:10,560
and what I'm spoking forth about on a

2032
01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:12,420
daily basis then you know please

2033
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:13,800
um sort of follow me there

2034
01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:15,239
um if you search for my name Graham

2035
01:16:18,649 --> 01:16:16,500
Randall on Amazon you'll find the books

2036
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,659
that I've written and that's basically

2037
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,400
it really um yeah just catch you later

2038
01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:22,080
thanks very much and thanks again for

2039
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,219
inviting me Ryan

2040
01:16:26,810 --> 01:16:25,199
Graham it's always a pleasure my friend

2041
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:26,820
we'll have to get you back on somewhere

2042
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:28,860
in the skies again soon to talk about

2043
01:16:33,770 --> 01:16:31,080
the new book for sure

2044
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:33,780
um but I'm sending you my best and I

2045
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:35,820
know I will probably see you sooner than

2046
01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:38,540
later in our travels here in the UK so

2047
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:40,739
uh I'll wish you a good night my friend

2048
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:42,300
I'm in a debrief with the audience here

2049
01:16:46,669 --> 01:16:45,000
for a moment but thanks again okay good

2050
01:16:50,030 --> 01:16:46,679
luck Ryan thanks everybody all right

2051
01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:50,040
thank you take care brother bye

2052
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:53,699
ah awesome guys Graham Rendell stepping

2053
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:56,219
in at the very last moment to help us

2054
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,500
out here tonight and I couldn't be more

2055
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:00,960
thankful to him again I want to send my

2056
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:04,080
well wishes to uh to Our Guest Katie

2057
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,300
Howland who wasn't able to to make it

2058
01:17:11,149 --> 01:17:08,880
I'm sending her my very very best and we

2059
01:17:13,610 --> 01:17:11,159
will have her back on in the near future

2060
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:13,620
to talk here on somewhere in the live

2061
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:15,060
stream

2062
01:17:18,169 --> 01:17:16,440
um thank you thank you to all of you

2063
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,179
guys for joining us tonight for another

2064
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:20,880
somewhere in the live stream these are

2065
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,340
so much fun and obviously with live

2066
01:17:29,330 --> 01:17:25,920
streams anything can happen like it did

2067
01:17:30,649 --> 01:17:29,340
tonight but sometimes uh sometimes it

2068
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,659
can work to your benefit and having

2069
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,880
someone like Graham step in um was one

2070
01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:35,040
of those benefits so again a huge thank

2071
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:37,140
you to him I know I haven't been keeping

2072
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,060
up with the chat too much guys you seem

2073
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:40,800
to be having an awesome vibrant

2074
01:17:45,290 --> 01:17:43,320
conversation without us so thank you

2075
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:45,300
Bruce thank you so much for the Super

2076
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:47,219
Chat late getting to the show have to

2077
01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:49,980
watch later next round is on me cheers

2078
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,260
cheers to you Bruce truly truly

2079
01:18:00,370 --> 01:17:55,440
appreciate that paranormal pixie here as

2080
01:18:05,169 --> 01:18:00,380
usual thank you dalen is here Natalie J

2081
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:05,179
Ian is here is here as well Ryan Baker

2082
01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:09,900
Suzanne Bill we got Tim F J Ellen

2083
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:12,840
Heineken one of the best screen handles

2084
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:16,500
I've ever seen Andy here as well

2085
01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:19,500
um New York Tech hello hello guys if I'm

2086
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,199
missing you I do apologize

2087
01:18:25,850 --> 01:18:24,000
um but I want to tease a few things

2088
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:25,860
before I let you go here so don't leave

2089
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:29,340
just yet very exciting news we talked

2090
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:31,980
about Alex Dietrich tonight her opinion

2091
01:18:37,729 --> 01:18:34,380
piece over at the d-rave you're gonna

2092
01:18:40,250 --> 01:18:37,739
get her expanded thoughts on that

2093
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,260
here on somewhere in the skies Alex

2094
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:42,659
Dietrich reached out to me only a couple

2095
01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:45,960
hours ago and uh said she's going to

2096
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,659
come on the show so I am so excited

2097
01:18:54,649 --> 01:18:50,880
we're going to be recording an interview

2098
01:18:57,229 --> 01:18:54,659
with her uh Tuesday actually so I'm

2099
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:57,239
gonna be putting out a call for listener

2100
01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:00,960
questions for former pilot Navy pilot

2101
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,179
Alex Dietrich so be on the lookout for

2102
01:19:06,890 --> 01:19:05,760
that on our Twitter handle at somewhere

2103
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:06,900
Skies

2104
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:09,239
um on Facebook as well uh or you can

2105
01:19:13,610 --> 01:19:11,580
email me there should be a link down in

2106
01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:13,620
the show notes to the website where you

2107
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:15,540
can contact me there and email me there

2108
01:19:19,729 --> 01:19:17,880
send me your listener questions for Alex

2109
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:19,739
Dietrich she's coming on somewhere in

2110
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:22,080
the skies I am so honored so excited

2111
01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:25,320
it's so last minute so I'm gonna hurtly

2112
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:27,300
get that together I'm very very excited

2113
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:28,739
for that

2114
01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:32,159
um other than that guys just a sneak

2115
01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:34,679
peek at what else we got

2116
01:19:39,950 --> 01:19:37,020
um premiering tonight in a few hours

2117
01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:39,960
actually is our interview with Henry

2118
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:44,100
zabrowski of last podcast on the left uh

2119
01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:45,600
Henry reached out to me a couple weeks

2120
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:47,820
ago said he was a huge fan of somewhere

2121
01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:50,820
in the skies and um I went on last

2122
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:53,159
podcast on the left for their patreon

2123
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,500
and he came on somewhere in the sky so

2124
01:19:59,870 --> 01:19:58,080
we did a little crossover so um you're

2125
01:20:01,970 --> 01:19:59,880
gonna hear that in just a few hours

2126
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:01,980
actually it's going to be dropping on

2127
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:04,140
the main podcast feed uh if you don't

2128
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:05,880
want to wait a couple hours join our

2129
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,380
patreon campaign right now you can

2130
01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:09,679
listen to it right now Early Access

2131
01:20:16,990 --> 01:20:14,219
patreon.com somewhere Skies uh following

2132
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:17,000
week we have witness accounts volume

2133
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:20,640
26. we're up to 26 volumes of you guys

2134
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:23,400
coming on the show and telling your UFO

2135
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:27,179
stories I'm just astounded and amazed at

2136
01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:27,960
the

2137
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:39,480
what it's all about normalizing this

2138
01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:41,580
topic shedding the stigma the ridicule

2139
01:20:44,990 --> 01:20:43,500
and trying to find understanding with

2140
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,000
one another of what we may be dealing

2141
01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:47,580
with with these things in our skies so

2142
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:49,140
really excited about that be on the

2143
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:50,580
lookout for another witness accounts

2144
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:53,940
episode then we have space historian Amy

2145
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:55,800
shiratito coming on the show to talk all

2146
01:21:01,750 --> 01:20:59,580
about aliens and the fight for space so

2147
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:01,760
that's going to be really fun as well

2148
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,340
and I just scheduled this one as well

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we're going to be talking to Fred

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Anderson about the Swedish Men in Black

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now we know the Men in Black the history

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and lore in the United States but we

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don't know a lot about other countries

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apparently these enigmatic men and women

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in black have been cited in other

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countries as well and Fred was able to

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gather some really interesting cases out

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of Sweden so he's going to come on the

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show to talk about that and

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um I believe that's all I got for you

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guys

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um let's see here Kurt says question is

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she single

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I believe he's talking about Alex

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Dietrich Kurt I don't know the answer to

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that

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um if you put it in a 50 Super Chat

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maybe I'll ask it how's that

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oh gosh um Andy says great fun chat

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thank you guys great guest host Andrew

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Android paranormal says thank you yes

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um Graham was fantastic great show thank

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you guys

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um really really appreciate it

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um let's see Douglas Sprague says did

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anyone see Richard Belzer's last words

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no dad I heard that unfortunate news

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right before we got on here um put it in

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the live chat if you don't mind I know

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he was a big UFO guy in conspiracy

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01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:28,920
theorist so um I'd love to know what his

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last words were for sure I was a huge

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fan of him on Law and Order SVU as well

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as Detective Munch so he will be sorely

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01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,480
sorely missed as well that's it guys

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that's all I got for you so I'm Gonna

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Leave You as usual with our motto here

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at somewhere in the skies and I'm also

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going to uh see you in just a few hours

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when the new episode premieres with

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Henry's ski of last podcast on the left

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the YouTube version of that the video

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version will Premiere tomorrow night

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01:23:04,970 --> 01:23:02,940
Monday night so if you don't want to

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01:23:07,790 --> 01:23:04,980
listen to the podcast version the video

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version will be available tomorrow night

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as well I believe at around uh what was

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it like six or seven p.m Eastern

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Standard I don't know go look behind

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this video it should be there waiting

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for the premiere

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um that's it guys thank you as always

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for joining us here on somewhere in the

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live stream a new live stream we do

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every Sunday here at uh 4 pm Eastern

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Standard 9 p.m UK thank you to all of

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you with the super chats thank you for

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01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,380
having such a lively discussion in the

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chat and uh put your comments below as

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well that helps uh that helps a lot to

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get um our algorithms up on YouTube

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subscribed all of that and that is it

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promise I'm going to say good night and

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as always keep your feet on the ground

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01:24:02,630 --> 01:24:00,000
but never stop searching somewhere in

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the skies take care guys have a great

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night

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